Frame Noise Improvement

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Imprezard
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Frame Noise Improvement

I am interested in learning if Tern has addressed frame noise issues seen in some Dahon bikes.

 

I purchased a Mu P8 not long ago but since arrival there has been a lot of squeaking.

I have tried adjustment and lube in all the possible areas (hinge, frame latch, seat post, clamps, etc.) with no improvement.

And through internet researches I have seen many discussions on this matter with no conclusive solution.

The condition of the bike is documented here on youtube: http://youtu.be/P3p5Y62Md5o

This is probably a rare QC case. But having seen a number of Dahon frame failures I have lost some confident in the Dahon brand.

 

I am quite interested in replacing the bike with a Tern bike.

But since the design shares similar concept, I would like to know what design and production measures have been taken to improve on this issue.

 

Thank you!

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well, that is annoying and not right. You need to know that creaks come from all different places, I would start with the saddle, than put some grease on the inside of the seattube, between the shim and the frame, NOT between the seatpost and the shim. Grease all cams of every quick release.


Than have the wheels professionally re trued. Check the bottom bracket for being on spec.


First of all get your steering fixed, that is wrong to start out with and can very well be the reason for this. Its not that difficult, which leaves me to believe that you rather should bring the bike to a dealer, Meaning if you havent fixed that very easy problem and you are riding around with it, it might be a little tough to check for the creak and doing everything else right. it does take more than to slip a business card somewhere in the slot. By the way you cannot compare the hinge with the old hinge, two different designs with completely different contact points.


Adjust the hinge to factory recomendations. But best bring it to a dealer who can fix this. He will also be able to see if it is one of these very rare factory defects, in which case Dahon will stay behind their product and will replace the frame for you.


Lets get that bike fixed and than you can get yourself a new Tern


thor

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SORRY


Terry can you delete a couple above, please.


That silly word verification didnt let me post and made me enter the silly characters 8 times, and than this ..lol


 


Thanks Thor

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Imprezard
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LOL thanks for the many replys Thor.

I have done the grease trick with the seatpost shim, and tried all the suggested solutions from all the online discussions I could find.

They didn't help unfortunately.

As for the steering it happened much later than the frame noise and was rather suddenly.

The dealer decided to take it back.

 

Just out of technical curiosity, if the gap between the frame is nomal, what is its intended purpose?

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Hi Thor,

No problem about deleting all of those posts.  I think you need to be a bit more patient and let the spam monitor work its magic.

Terry

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Hey Thor!

 

I am having the same difficulty with the Silly word verification. Sometimes it makes me enter it more than once. And sometimes it says I entered something wrong even when I am careful and dead sure I did not!

Perhaps it is my VERY tight security, browser and cookie settings or flashcookie blocker but it is VERY tiring compared that "other" folding bike list I used to frequent:-))

Can we make it a bit simpler Mr webmaster??? Please

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Hey Terry, Time is money too!

 

 

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Imprezard,

I bet you did not clean and service the chain and lube it did you? A chain with just a few dry pins can make a creaking sound that you would swear is coming from the frame. I have seen it many times. Could be a dry freewheel/cassette too or a loose bottom bracket.

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Imprezard, Good question. I'd start by saying that any time you have parts that have the opportunity to move against one another, you have a potential for squeaking. BB against frame, pedal against crank, seat post against frame, folding frame hinge against itself, folding handlepost against itself - all are possibilities. I've found that candle wax on the inside of the Radius handlepost and frame hinge can solve the squeaking in some instances. So you might try that.

So how can we avoid squeaking of our joint and handlepost? Well for starters, you design it differently: our frame and handlepost joints have a Norglide teflon bearing sitting between the stainless pivot bolts and the aluminum joint body. Next, you manufacture things to tighter tolerances. Tighter tolerances mean less movement. Our frame and handlepost joints are made by one of the top forging companies in Taiwan (the same company that makes the amazing bars, stems and seatposts for Syntace) and our machining tolerances are to 50 microns. 

I and the team have ridden most of the bikes, most ridden hard at demo days (with a healthy dose of dust and dirt thrown in), over the last month and I've yet to encounter a squeak from frame joints or handleposts. That is a first for demo day bikes. So although I can't say that our bikes will never squeak, I am confident saying that we'll be a lot less squeaky. 

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Enginator wrote:

Hey Thor!

I am having the same difficulty with the Silly word verification. Sometimes it makes me enter it more than once. And sometimes it says I entered something wrong even when I am careful and dead sure I did not!

Perhaps it is my VERY tight security, browser and cookie settings or flashcookie blocker but it is VERY tiring compared that "other" folding bike list I used to frequent:-))

Can we make it a bit simpler Mr webmaster??? Please

Running a MacBook Pro

OS X

Mozilla 5.01

Adblock Plus

Flashblock

Tubestop

BetterPrivacy

Beef Taco

Hey Terry, Time is money too!

Well, it's either back to spam or a bit of bother. Personally, I prefer having a bit of bother so that we can have a clean forum.

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I understand about not wanting bots and spammers to get on the list Terry!

That does not explain why it sometimes says [in red] that my verification is wrong. Perhaps one issue is the difficulty of discerning where there are spaces in the verification shown in the window? 

I am probably a participant in 10 forums and lists including being moderator on two lists with over 2000 members each and do not have these issues anyplace else. I also never see spam on the others although most are hosted by Yahoo or Google. Since you are using your own software perhaps it is "superior" but certainly much more aggravating. Nuff said. Hope things get better.

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Thanks Josh!

That was the kind of technical response I was hoping to get.

The first public test ride of Tern bicycles in Japan will happen this weekend in Tokyo Ueno.

I am looking forward to see and ride these bikes.

Will you happen to be there? LOL

 

As for my Mu P8, it has gone back to the dealer.

Sure maybe I could've have found some ways to fix it. But as a brand new bike delivered by a dealer the noise and steering lock up issue right out of box were really frustrating.

Fortunately the dealer took full responsibility professionally. I was hoping for warranty repair or frame replacement, but they took the bike back with refund instead.

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You are indeed fortunate. Some of the good things about the DaHon organization are still working.

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Hi Imprezard – we built up some great dealers in Japan and around the world for Dahon. Glad to hear they took care of you.

Let us know what you think of the Tern.

Unfortunately, I won’t be there but I’ll see you in November if you can make it to CycleMode. Looking forward to the ramen.

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Hi Josh,

 

I will sure leave some test ride impressions here.

Great! I will attend the Tokyo CycleMode in November too. Will you be there all three days?

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Matt Davis and I will be there the first two days. Look forward to meeting you.

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I had a squeaking that would go on for a month or two (tried everything I could think of such as lubrication, tightening this or that, etc.) until I figured out it was simply the middle of the frame hinge screw (sorry for  not knowing the technical name) being slightly loose. I used a small wrench, tightened it, and the squeaking stopped. A squeaking sound can carry in the frame so it can sound like it is coming from anywhere. cool

josh.hon
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Imprezard – it was nice seeing you in Tokyo. Glad you liked the bikes.

Josh

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My Jack D7 will start to squeak after a few months, and I too play around with the screw in the middle hinge, as well as dropping a little bit of "Liquid Wrench" at the hinges between those gaps. It works great.

I also have a Mu P8 but the hinge design is different and I haven't run into any noise problem yet, so I am not sure if the same applies.

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ei Tern,

Why didnt you show up in Cyclemode Osaka? We were there this afternoon.

 

Anyways, I'm so excited to get a Verge Duo and I guess several distributors are now taking orders. :)

 

SpeedUno

 

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SpeedUno,

Sorry – we would’ve loved to have made it to Osaka. But we’re busy shipping bikes out and there’s lots to be done.

Glad you like the Verge Duo – one of my favorites also.

Josh

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